Comments on: The Oxford Comma https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/commas/oxford-comma/ GrammarBook.com Tue, 15 Aug 2023 18:03:54 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.0.5 By: GrammarBook.com https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/commas/oxford-comma/#comment-1617476 Tue, 15 Aug 2023 18:03:54 +0000 https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/?p=5248#comment-1617476 In reply to Jon.

We interpret your example as meaning there is one ball that has three colors on it. To distinguish two balls, we would write the sentence as “I found a blue ball and a red and green ball.” If we wanted to convey the discovery of three balls, we would write it as “I found a blue ball, a red ball, and a green ball.” If written as “I found blue, red, and green balls,” the sentence would identify three differently colored balls of an undetermined total quantity.

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By: Jon https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/commas/oxford-comma/#comment-1615699 Thu, 03 Aug 2023 03:46:18 +0000 https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/?p=5248#comment-1615699 “I found a blue, green and red ball.” Without the Oxford comma, it would be easy to mistakenly believe that I found two balls, a blue one, and a green and one. But I really found three balls.
Since including the Oxford comma never results in an incorrect conclusion, it should be required.

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By: Eleanor Koth Matthews https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/commas/oxford-comma/#comment-1607415 Sat, 10 Jun 2023 18:49:17 +0000 https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/?p=5248#comment-1607415 In the 60s I was taught not to put a comma after the last “and.” For example, “I got a new coat, gloves and a hat yesterday.”
When I taught college English, I was converted to the Oxford comma by this example: “We elected a new president, vice president, secretary and treasurer.” As the book I was using pointed out, this version creates a question. Are there 3 or 4 new appointees? In some organizations the position of “secretary and treasurer” is one person; in other (usually smaller) organizations it is one person.
I use the Oxford comma when I feel it is useful for clarity.

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By: GrammarBook.com https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/commas/oxford-comma/#comment-1601050 Mon, 01 May 2023 22:18:41 +0000 https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/?p=5248#comment-1601050 In reply to Andrew Cochrane.

You may find our posts Lack of Commas Costs Company Millions in Dispute and Oxford Comma Dispute Settled interesting.
The natural pause you refer to is the joining of two independent clauses with a conjunction and a separating comma before it. We discuss this topic in our post Commas with Independent Clauses.

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By: Andrew Cochrane https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/commas/oxford-comma/#comment-1600755 Sun, 30 Apr 2023 09:04:43 +0000 https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/?p=5248#comment-1600755 I always omit the so-called “Oxford comma” because, to me, its use is superfluous, i.e. there is no ambiguity without it. I would certainly use a comma AFTER a series of nouns or adjectives to denote that what follows is no longer part of the series, but this would not be an “Oxford” comma.

“I like apples, oranges and pears.” In this example it is plain that an “Oxford comma” would do nothing to add any meaning or clarity, as the meaning is perfectly clear without it.

“I like apples and oranges, and pears are also nice.” In this example the last comma is not the “Oxford” variety, and is required to indicate that what is about to follow the “and” will not be part of the preceding series. This comma reflects the natural pause in speech between the two clauses.

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By: Maya Ayala https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/commas/oxford-comma/#comment-1595954 Mon, 03 Apr 2023 22:09:50 +0000 https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/?p=5248#comment-1595954 My freshman writing professor hated the Oxford comma. She was a graduate of Princeton who favored MLA rules for writing, grammar and syntax. However, she also taught her students to space twice at the end of a sentence (which was something more common in the days of typewriters rather than computers). I do see the advantage of the Oxford comma when listing groups of three. The “and” found between the second and third item can indicate relation to the first item. However, this usually isn’t a problem if you understand the context OR in lists of four or more. An Oxford comma just isn’t necessary when the sentence is clear without it.

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By: Joe Dobbins https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/commas/oxford-comma/#comment-1591090 Sun, 05 Mar 2023 01:10:15 +0000 https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/?p=5248#comment-1591090 Simply use it to ensure clarity. We do not know how people read items when they are reading to themselves Therefore, why wouldn’t we simply ALWAYS include it to avoid any confusion and do so every time. Otherwise…..I love my parents, the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. Glad to know EB and SC are your parents, as I can’t read that any other way.

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By: Phillida https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/commas/oxford-comma/#comment-1589756 Sat, 25 Feb 2023 17:19:12 +0000 https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/?p=5248#comment-1589756 Coming to you strictly as an intellectual commoner:
I prefer using the Oxford comma only when necessary for meaning, as in your grouchy neighbor’s example. It feels to me self-conscious, stilted and unmusical otherwise! In a formal document for bullet point-type clarity?….sure!
Great site. Definitely bookmarking for practical use. Thank you.

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By: GrammarBook.com https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/commas/oxford-comma/#comment-1578231 Thu, 22 Dec 2022 20:03:51 +0000 https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/?p=5248#comment-1578231 In reply to John B.

We agree that the Oxford comma or its omission should serve to clarify rather than operate as a fixed grammatical principle. If what appears to be proper punctuation instead adds ambiguity, the sentence should and often can be rewritten.

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By: John B https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/commas/oxford-comma/#comment-1576959 Thu, 15 Dec 2022 19:45:14 +0000 https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/?p=5248#comment-1576959 I would like to emphasize something Scott Wiebe mentions. I don’t see how the Oxford comma clarifies a sentence, unless it is in *universal use.*

Consider the two example sentences in the article:
1. We invited our grouchy neighbors, Jan and Ted.
2. We invited our grouchy neighbors, Jan, and Ted.

The second sentence is clear. The presence of the Oxford comma signals two things – that the writer uses the Oxford comma, and that Jan and Ted have been invited as well as the grouchy neighbors.

However, the article states that “Including an Oxford comma can change or clarify the meaning. The first sentence identifies both Jan and Ted as the grouchy neighbors…”. However, in common usage, since the Oxford comma has not been universally adopted, its *absence* in the first sentence means nothing. Unless the writer has otherwise signaled that she is an Oxford comma devotee, the reader does not know whether the grouchy neighbors *are* Jan and Ted (Oxford comma convention) or could be (or not) (if the writer does not use Oxford commas).

As if that wasn’t bad enough, we can conceive of other situations when even the Oxford comma does not eliminate uncertainly. In sentence 1, the clarifying power of the Oxford comma actually comes only partly from the convention itself, but mainly from the fact that “Jan” is singular, so she cannot be the neighbor*s*. However, consider this sentence:
3. We invited our grouchy neighbors, the Jansons, and Ted.

Even with the Oxford comma, there is no clarity about whether the Jansons are the neighbors, or whether they are being invited together with the neighbors.

The article writer correctly identifies the appropriate way to eliminate confusion without resorting to persuading the whole world to adopt this convention. Recast the sentence as “We invited Jan and Ted, as well as our grouchy neighbors” (If Jan and Ted are *not* the grouchy neighbors). Presumably, “We invited Jan and Ted (our grouchy neighbors)” would be the appropriate sentence in the other case.

So, enjoy the Oxford comma if you wish. But that comma will need a lot more devotees before it really starts to add clarity. Even then, it won’t add much.

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